This is supposed to happen the first time Persephone is back to the Underworld….so I went and made a sequel for a comic that hasn’t even happened yet. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey….
Did I regret anything? No. No I don’t.
He kidnapped her
Against her will
Thanks fo her father after her father raped her
She starved herself to get out of his place
twhere do people read romance into this, where??ßß1ßewkofp *flops over*
Thanks for continue to focus on the kidnapping part which is not the point of this myth.
Life and Death, the balance between them and the changes they cause, and the origin and meaning of the seasons cycle, on the other hand, are the real points.
Thanks for also persisting in the idea of Persephone as a passive figure. Kidnapped, raped, silenced, with no saying or power over anything (except for maybe starved herself because there are so many different versions of this myth that it’s difficult to keep track of them, did you know that apparently there is a version where she and Hades plot together?)
Thanks for also forgetting that she’s a goddess on her own and becomes Queen and Hades’ equal and actually they’re most stable marriages in the myths.
Thank you, you’ve enriched this post by telling me things I already know but I don’t care about. (◡‿◡✿)
Reblogging for the bitchin’ commentary and also to add that if anyone wants to read the most current (and IMO accurate) studies on Greek mythology and women’s lives, Women in Greek Myth by Dr. Mary Lefkowitz is invaluable (and incredibly inexpensive for an academic book).
The confusion comes from “Zeus” which is almost a title for a supreme god (think of the way “Caesar” was used). So you have Heavenly Zeus and Infernal Zeus, and they are not the same god but rather the supreme ruler of the sky and underworld, respectively. Likewise Persephone became known as “Infernal Hera” and this naming scheme persisted well into the Roman Empire, where Pluto and Proserpina are referred to as “Infernal Juno” and “Jupiter of Dis” in Book 6 of the Aeneid as well as on many grave monuments and in spells.
Moreover, gods don’t need to eat. Persephone refusing to eat was her refusing to become a part of the Underworld, not her attempting to starve herself. The gods are defined as being deathless, and in Ancient Greek “deathless” is synonymous with “god”. (Cf. Theogony, Works and Days, any of the Homeric Hymns, etc.) The Homeric Hymn to Demeter is really clear about this. (HH 2 370-4, 393-403.)
The marriage of Persephone and Hades is actually the most loving and consensual union among the Olympian deities. Hades first offers a dowry designed specifically to please Persephone (HH 2 10-14.), then carries her off and keeps her as a guest of honour in his house. (HH 2 341-345) Persephone is referred to as αἰδοίῃ παρακοίτι - his reverent wife. “Reverent” here refers to a respect for one’s duty, and the similarity between the pronunciation of αἰδοῖος an “Hades” is deliberate and intended to show how well-matched they are. Persephone misses her mother, yes, but is not overly upset about her marriage to Hades. Even Anchises expresses more regret over his union with Aphrodite. (HH 5 185-190.) Finally, as a proper parent, Demeter is rewarded for giving up her daughter, and offers a gift to the other gods in turn. (HH 2 441-495.)
It is worth noting that Demeter is given a position of remarkable power in this myth and is in many ways treated as or better than a father would be. The focus of the hymn remains the relationship between mother and daughter, and emphasises that it is a bond that can endure even after a woman leaves to marry. More importantly, the Homeric Hymn to Demeter is an etiological myth for the Thesmophoria and the Eleusinian Mysteries, a woman-only festival and the most enduring mystery cult of the ancient world. HH 2 serves to anchor women firmly in religious and family life and sets some fairly idealised standards for husbands. Many issues arise when attempting to interpret this myth into a modern context, which is why it is so important to understand that the myth was created over three thousand years ago and is largely a historical document reflecting the mores of the time.
This is the last time I’m reblogging this strip. I edited the original post because I’m really tired of this discussion, but latining’s comment is just perfect and flawless and really educating and everyone interested in this myth should read it.
THIS IS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL AND IM SO GLAD THAT MY BOYFRIEND REBLOGGED IT FOR ME TO SEE AND TO READ THE COMMENTS OMFG
Also like to point out that Hades and Persephone were one of, if not the, most faithful divine couples in Greek mythology.
Compare that to Zeus, who slept with anything that moved.
This comic is beautiful and adorable, and the commentary is (if you’ll pardon the pun) divine. A++, FAVORITE MYTHOLOGICAL COUPLE, WOULD FALL IN LOVE WITH THEM AGAIN.
#seriously people please stop trying to paint her as too dim to remember that eating would keep her there #she was a freaking GODDESS SHE KNEW THE RULES #also who the fuck eats SIX pomegranate seeds unless it’s to make a point? #no one that’s who #[/rant]
Beautiful commentary. God, I love mythology.
Morpheus : God of Dreams : Dream King : Dream Weaver : Sandman : Oneiros :
Rules : Dreams Night / Day, Sleep, Inspiration, Creativity, Divination, Wishes, Trance / Meditation / Astral
Colour : Black, Blue, Purple, Silver
Element : Air & Water
Planet : Moon (New Moon)
NO IT IS NOT A THING
anyone who claims otherwise is horribly misrepresenting their deities
Jehovah’s laws demand he be above all other Gods. Not even equal to, above. The Hellenic religious rules demand the Greek Gods not be considered inferior or second to other Gods.
The religions are incompatible. It’s a shame, there are Christians would would like to worship the Greek Gods, and I’d certainly be inclined to go back to Judaism if I could, but the religions are incompatible.
No matter what you did, you’d be terribly insulting one pantheon or the other or both pantheons at once. You cannot be a “Christo-Hellenic” without violating the laws of one or both religions.
christowitch can confirm that from the Christian side of the aisle, it’s been discussed at great length before.
Hospitality in ancient Hellenic was a complicated ritual within both the host and the guest has certain roles to fill and tasks to perform. Especially when someone unknown to the host came to the door, the ritual held great value. The host had and has many tasks in his…
OMG I completely forgot about this! Sorry!!
However, what I usually mean when I say that I am a sewing witch, kitchen witch, green witch, etc., is that that is where my practices lie. I’m a fashion design student, so naturally, it’s pretty easy for me to work with thread and such and use it in my magic. I also like to cook, especially for others, so I put some magic into my cooking to make them happy. And as a green witch, it’s similar to cottage witchcraft, but for me is working quite a bit with plants.
It’s totally not rude to ask me these questions, I am more than happy to answer them!
Grey for the goblins, blue for the elves,
Brown for the little gnomes that live by
White for the pixies that dance on the
But who shall make a royal gown to deck
the Fairy Queen ?"
things I want to see:
- tattooed young Hera who redefines what it means to be feminine
- Apollo enjoying counterculture modern music that isn’t what your grandaddy listens to because the god of music loves all music
- Hermes dropping the internet connection of late-night bloggers when he thinks they need to get more sleep
- Aphrodite at the forefront of modern fashion, not just for mainstream fashion but all types of beauty
- Apollo keeping tabs on the mental health of all his followers because mental illness is illness too
- Hera rejecting political campaigns and bringing together queer couples because the goddess of marriage knows better than some old congressman what marriage is
- Zeus traveling the world enjoying the various diversity of his world under culturally-appropriate disguises in each country, stopping to perform quiet blessings to people who deserve it and yet who never know who that strange older man was who helped them or gave them exactly the sort of wise guidance they needed
- Ares annoying Apollo by constantly demanding updates on the wellbeing of his injured veterans and wanting to know what Apollo plans to do about their combat-related injuries and mental illnesses
- Ares whispering in the ears of anti-war protesters to keep world governments from using nuclear weapons
- Athena on the ground in the Middle East, following around military scouts and diverting attacks before they even notice them
- Hermes disguised as a male nurse, quietly walking between beds in terminal care facilities, easing pain in everyone he passes by
- Haides patiently explaining the whole “yes, I’m that Haides” “yes, this is that underworld” “no, no one’s going to torture you with fire” thing to every single person who enters his realm and never getting frustrated no matter how many times the Christians ask him about hell
- Poseidon getting a drink in the local bars in small coastal towns because he likes to listen to the tall tales the fishermen tell as they come in from their crab boats
- Hephaestus gleefully inventing new creations because smithing is so much more interesting with modern technology
- Demeter convincing Zeus to sabotage the political lobbying of big agricultural corporations to protect her beloved small-time farmers
- Hestia strolling through the suburbs calming down family arguments in the neighborhoods she visits
- Artemis taking her responsibility for the wellbeing of young ladies seriously and invisibly sitting next to every heartbroken teenage girl crying her eyes out over some lost highschool love
- Dionysus impersonating bartenders and demanding patrons’ car keys when they’ve had too much
- Gods that aren’t stuck in the ancient past
Because they are not stuck in the ancient past.
Okaay, so this is actually from a month ago, but I look haggard as fuck tonight cos i’m working on a crazy ass final project for fashion illustration, but I wanted to show off the sweater my bestie cyderpunk got me for Christmas/Yule, and I love it, 1) cos it has deer on it, and 2) it’s from my bestie.
Let the obsessive research begin!
- The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage
- The Magus
- The Book of Ceremonial Magic
- Sixth Book of Moses
- Seventh Book of Moses
- The Key of Solomon The King
- The Lesser Key of Solomon
- Abratel of Magick
- Grimoire of Armadel
- Grimoire of Honorius
- Grimoirium Imperium
- Grimoirum Verum
- Libellus Magicus
- The Secret Grimoire of Turiel
A list of items that are needed for an afternoon of wildcrafting:
- Local medicinal plant book, earmarked to show the plants that are ripe for picking this time of year. We’ll have to look for plants that store their alkaloids in the flower or leaf; plants that store their potency in the root or bark are best picked in autumn.
- Small, sharp knife; small shovel; small pruner/clipper; pair of gloves
- Sack or backpack to carry samples, variety of paper bags to separate plant samples
- Marker for labeling bags
- 20x loupe for viewing the very tiny (Bausch & Lomb makes a great keychain loupe)
- Never consume a plant if you are uncertain about what it is.
- Check your plant guide to know which parts of a plant to use: leaf, bark, flower, seed, root, sap.
- Avoid plants by roadsides and ditches or near any kind of contaminant or waste.
- Always collect where the plant is abundant, and never collect more than 20 percent of the amount visible to you.
- Never collect in national forests or wildlife reserves.
- Most plants can be dried in a paper bag tacked to the wall and left alone for a week or two.
- Plants can also be steeped in alcohol (vodka or Everclear is recommended) or honey to extract their medicinal properties while also preserving them for future use.
Wendy Jehanara Tremayne gets wild on the Powell’s blog: http://powells.us/13DbCJe
2 of Blooms
God of Plumes